183. Biblical Dialogue of Moses, Part 1

What makes me think of baptism of day. Water is so significant when it comes to the spirit, representing the spirit, when it comes to destruction and building up. So water has the ability to destroy and the ability to cultivate, it has the ability to tear down and it has the ability to bring you safely where you need to be.

Welcome to the Call by God podcast with Adne Godin and myself, nixon Sylvain. This show is about dialogues of biblical characters and testimonies of Christians who submit it to the will of God. Each week, we bring on one guest so that they can share their story of how they were called by God. I hope this show inspires you. Enjoy. Hello and welcome world to the Call by God podcast. I'm yours truly, brother, nick, and I'm just excited to deliver another dynamic episode with you all. Adne is not here with me today, but Adne is here in the spirit. But first of all, I want to give my Lord and my Savior, jesus Christ, all the credit, because without Jesus Christ, this podcast wouldn't be possible. So I want to thank him for that. And also I want to thank you guys. It's because of you guys that this show also has been made possible, and I would encourage you to continue to like, share and subscribe. We are on all major platforms YouTube, spotify, apple, google, you name it. We're on it. And also, if you need more content, you can visit us on wwwcallbygodpodcastcom. So in this episode we'll be discussing Moses, and I'm excited because this is the first episode of Moses and I always felt in my heart that Moses was always an interesting character. But I am not here by myself. I am here with one of my dear friends, a dear brother of mine, a brother that's on fire. Brother, that's not a stranger to the show he actually created. A was a guest on our podcast called the Darkness Does Not Feel Good. So I welcome to the show. Other than brother Steve Rembert, team 1K. How you doing, my brother?

Hey, what's going on, bro. You already know how we rockin'. Yeah, you ready to keep it? 1k right? Yeah, you already know everything. 1k. We just trying to glorify God man by letting him use us. Wherever our talents are, our gifts are, let him use us and ultimately give him the glory and that's our focus and to help somebody and the seeker say that which is love, that's all.

Amen, amen, hey, so, steve, before we get into this episode, man, so this, this episode about Moses, is so near and dear to my heart. I'm going to tell you why, and I don't know if this was your experience, but this was my experience when, when I was a kid, like around like around Easter time, you know what they say, easter they'd be trying to mix it up, you know, with Good Friday and Easter, but on the local stations they used to play this movie called the Ten Commandments. And then I remember watching that as a little kid, you know, I used to see here's a Caucasian man and beard that was supposed to be Moses, and God with the thunder and the lightning, he's on a mountain and God creating the stones, with the laws, and that always resonated with me. Like here's these group of people that's in bondage, and then here's this individual that God used, but a lot of things. I couldn't connect the dots, because this time I'm like seven years old, eight years old, but it wasn't until I got older. Then I start to understand the significance of the story that I was watching when I was a kid. So that's why I say this story right here, that we're about to, you know have a dialogue about. I always find it interesting because this is one of the stories that it goes way back, way back, if not. So, you know, in Sunday school these kids either learn about Jesus and they know about Father Abraham and they got it. They know a little something about Moses, moses and the Tinker man.

Yeah.

So yeah, so we're going to dive right into it. So in Exodus, chapter one, in Exodus, chapter one, the children of Israel at the time they resided in Egypt and the children of Israel were fruitful and they increase abundantly and they multiplied and wax exceedingly mighty and the land was filled with them. So God allowed them to be fruitful and they multiplied and they was growing numerously and over the course of time, there was a king, a new king rose over Egypt. And if you guys don't know what we're talking about when we say a new king rose over Egypt, you got to go back and listen to the past episodes that Adne and I did with the story of Joseph. We did a series on Joseph and that way you can understand how the children of Israel got there. There was a new king that rose over Egypt and did not know Joseph. The king said to his people about the children of Israel that the Israelites are greater, they're more numerous, and if war breaks out, that they would join our enemies and fight against us. So while all this is taking place, this resulting in Israel going to force labor, in other words, burden some labor by building cities for Pharaoh and of course we know that later, down the line, pharaoh, he put to death the male child by throwing them into the Nile River. So, steve, in your thoughts and I know we could go text to text, scripture to scripture, but in Exodus 1, 12, 22, what stands out to you as we build this foundation, before we even talk about Moses, what stands out to you?

Yeah, what stood out to me just first of all in verse 8, where it says now there arose a new king over Egypt who did not know Joseph. And that just reminds me that change will happen and sometimes, when changes are made, they oftentimes may not go in our favor. Yeah, so you had a new. Sometimes we have certain relationships, whether it be with church members, whether it be with friends, family members. Sometimes the dynamics of positions, conditions change, and with those changes can come either hardship or breakthrough.

So they're really stood out to me, yeah, I think for me, the way that I'm looking at it, I think, based on what I just read, I believe that the new king was semi-intimidated by the children of Israel. So when you think about numbers and Steve, we can make it relatable because we know that there are strengthened numbers. We know that there are strengthened numbers. So when you see these people on, these children of God, these Israelites are growing in numbers. And this is why I believe the power of the church. So if the church is in unity and the church is growing, the enemy will be intimidated, because we could say that the Egyptians are an enemy of God's children. So here they see the children of God is growing. And then this is why I say there's power in unity, because when a person see Well, an opposition, see a group of people are in unity, they're going to be intimidated like man, hold up, wait a minute before they figure things out. Because that was their biggest fear. Their biggest fear was like, okay, if the children of Israel figure things out, they might join our enemies and go to war with us. So he said, before they figure things out. So it's kind of like so we put it in modern term we could even go back to the church. The devil could say if the children of God figure things out, they're gonna be one and they really gonna be doing damage. They really gonna be breaking down my kingdom. So let me distract them. But in this case he put them under bondage, slavery, forced labor. So it shows you how the enemy too have tactics, because that's a strategy and that's how. So, as I'm reading this, yeah, this is actual history, this thing it happened for real. But if we tap into the spiritual realm, we gotta say hold up, satan have tactics too, because Satan don't want us to be on one accord. Just think about that for me, steve. Imagine if everybody on one accord. Satan is really in trouble Because God had. Jesus even went so far to tell us that he wants us to be on one accord in John 17. He prayed. He prayed that we would be one.

Oh yeah, and the main thing to keep us focused and keep us where we need to be is it can't hit us and, unawares, we have to know that there's an enemy and that and we can't get too comfortable where we are. You know, they were residing in Egypt. Now they could have got, they were already amongst the carnal people, right, and so they could have went about trusting God and sought after their own community. But they chose and they probably got complacent like we just gonna hang out in Egypt, and I realized that that place where they were was ultimately going to be the place of bondage for them. But God can still, and what I like is that even in the midst of that, god can still use it, and that's he can use that situation to bring out his glory. And that reminds me here. The other one says verse 12,. The other point that stood out to me is it says but the more they were oppressed, the more they multiply and the more they spread abroad. So it's just amazing to me that even though the enemy may come our enemy and their enemy may come up against them, they still were able to multiply and to be fruitful in the midst of it. And I often say that the church, or people or nations often come together and thrive under persecution, and so that's why we have to appreciate it and we have to see the good from it, because, even though we might be oppressed, even though a person or persons, or even the spiritual persons they come up against us, if we're moving for God, if we're moving in one band, one sound, we still can be triumphed in the midst of it. That's something that stood out to me.

Nah, that's some good stuff, doc. So what is this that we read about? When Pharaoh, he didn't go after the baby girls, he went after the male child Because, like, yeah, you see how he pointed out in verse number 12 that they was getting oppressed but they kept growing. So in order for you to stop the growth of something, you got to kill the seed, you got to kill the one that's going to produce the seed. What are your thoughts on that? That thought that, in trying to make it like relatable, because this dude went after the male child, not the girls, the males.

Oh yeah, I mean we see that even today in the attack on men in America. We can go so far as to talk about black men or African American men in America how there was originally a systemic ploy to, and not just in the. It manifested in the physical, but I think that it started in the spiritual realm, because if we can attack the men, we not only attack the seed and the reproduction of the people, we also attack the leadership, because it is not to diminish women's roles or women being able to lead. But we typically see in scriptures the men were the leaders, the men were the seed, the men were the ones who were responsible for gaining the inheritance. The men had the vision a lot of times and they acted that vision out. That's also. Men also stand in the gap in terms of protection and security as well. So if you knock that off, then God can just pivot the whole thing and it goes back to the family and the nuclear home as well.

So, yeah, that is a great point and to that point I wanted to read the verse that I was referring to. It's in Exodus 122 and it says and Pharaoh commanded all his people, saying every son who was born you will throw into them now and every daughter you will let alive. And, kind of like you said, this is still happening to this day. In fact, I believe that Moses is the type shadow of Christ, because the same thing that transpired even with Moses, what we're about to read right now happened with Christ in his day. So, and this is what I like about God, because God is so sovereign and God has a plan, even though sometimes the things that's going in our lives, god is always, he has a plan for us. So the children of Israel are in bondage and we see all the male children are being killed. But God preserve God, preserve a leader. So I always say this right, because I always think about the book of Jeremiah, when God told him like before I knew you, before you was forming your mother's womb. So God already four new Moses. God already four new Moses. So we're going to get right into chapter two, because Moses has a very unique name. So Moses name means taking out of water. So he is from the tribe of Levi, and Moses was the one that was preserved because, as I mentioned earlier, the male child was being persecuted, they was getting killed, thrown in the Nile River, and so Moses was protected by God. Obviously, god used his, his mom. He was protected by God for the first three months and later Moses mother put him into an ark, which we know as a basket, into the Nile Nile River. So now, steve, I did a little bit of homework, so I looked at the thought, the word ark, and the word ark means to va in Hebrew, with the same term used as the Nile's Ark. So I'm sure they have some kind of symbolic. There's some symbolic meaning to that Because, you know, god did destroy the earth by way of water. Only eight souls were saved when Noah was out there. He did God to him to build the ark, because we knew that the people thought about evil continuously. So God repented that he created man. So Noah and his whole family was preserved. So they were saved by way of the ark, because without the ark all humanity would have been demolished and destroyed. So God, so God and his infinite wisdom and his grace that he showed towards Noah and his family. Only eight people were saved, and now we fast forward to Moses. Moses is in our ark. I thought that was very interesting that here's Moses being preserved, because if you don't put Moses into a basket, or even into this ark, there will be no Moses. Or maybe the children of Israel may have possibly gone through even endured decades of persecution, who knows? But the reality is that God preserved Moses. He put him into an ark, and we know that Pharaoh's daughter found Moses in the river and took him out of the river and raised him. So even the Bible mentioned that. Even she showed compassion towards him.

Yeah, I'm just so thankful and it's so amazing to me. It goes back to divine providence. In the midst of whatever situation we're in, god will move things in the supernatural realm, not necessarily by way of a miracle, but by way of his divine providence. A lot of people focus on miracles and the miraculous, not realizing that God worked providentially, more so than he ever did miraculously. And right here we see an example where God brought about his greater will and his plan through natural means and is still followed through with what he needed to follow through in the midst of persecution, in the midst of an attack or a ploy, and it just goes back. And it also makes me think of baptism of day. Water is so significant, man, when it comes to the spirit, representing the spirit, when it comes to destruction and building up. So water has the ability to destroy and the ability to cultivate, it has the ability to tear down and it has the ability to bring you safely where you need to be. And I think about baptism and I think about with the basket, I think about the church, because God, remember what Christ said. He says you read the scriptures and in them you think you have eternal life, but those scriptures that speak about me, and I think that, ultimately, a lot of things are pointing toward the, or can be, a representation of Christ and his church and Christ and the ultimate will of God, which is to unite all people under this one reign or this one salivate, or this one ecumenical, or one body that helps people get to where they need to be, safely in the midst of the alligators and the cracker dials and the spiritual powers that beat. Yeah, so that's just me, I might be looking a little bit too much into it, but I think about all of that but.

I think some people don't understand God's plan because so we can make it relatable, let's do this Look, we got the children of Israel and we got Egypt. So we think about Egypt. Egypt worship other gods. They're not into Yahweh, they're not into the great I am, they're not into other gods. So it's ironic to me that, through God and his sovereignty, he used somebody that's not in connection with him or don't even have a relationship with, which is Pharaoh's daughter. But Pharaoh's daughter showed compassion towards Moses. So that tells me that God could use anybody. So we may have an individual say man, look, I wasn't raised up in the church. I mean, I was raised, you know, most of my family are church people, but I was raised in an ungodly environment, because that's kind of like what Moses went through. He was raised in an ungodly environment. But yeah, he's still a Christian, he's still a church, he's still in covenant with God, he's a Levite, he come from the Levitical priesthood, that's the tribe he come from. But he is being raised in Egypt under the umbrella or the household of the Egyptians. And I think some people, you know, when they look at that, that's all we tell people like, look, you don't know what God is doing. God is sovereign. God could use the person that's not saved to bless you, because that's what it looked like to me with Moses God used. God used Pharaoh in his household to bless Moses Somebody, and that's why I said I said let's make it relatable. God could use an unsaved person. God could use an atheist. God could use an anti-Christ individual to bless a Christian.

Not not just that, but he's using the enemy. Remember when David said I will prepare a table in the midst of your enemy? He's using the daughter of the same man that said kill everybody.

Yes, yes, yes so they don't even know.

They don't even know they being used by God.

And don't we serve an awesome God, mm-hmm. That's why I tell people, like look man, like you don't know what God is doing, like let God play out. You know what I mean, because God has a plan for us and we see that clearly here.

My model, my team 1K brand. The model is don't panic. A lot of times we panic in the midst of enemies, we panic in the midst of turmoil, but instead of planning, they plan. Instead of panicking, they plan and they have faith. See to drop to. You have to have some level of faith in you to put your child in a basket right To put your child in a basket and to send them down the river. You have to have some kind of faith to think or to believe that something's going to transpire down that river bank that's going to make sure your baby has a safe home. And it happens. Just the way they plan. So it also teaches us. This story also teaches us to trust God no matter what the situation, even even the things that you can't see. I can't see what's down this river. This river is rough. This river may have crocodiles in it, some of the biggest and the strongest. The crocodiles and alligators have the strongest bite force of all other animals. So I'm sending my baby down this river that could be infested. I mean, this is Africa Lions, tigers and bears. But I know the God that I serve when I let my baby down in this water, when I put my trust in God that ultimately God is in control of everything. And what happened God used by that one bit of faith. That little bit of faith, god used divine providence to get them where they need to be. Ultimately, that one child ultimately led to the freeing of an entire nation of people.

Boy, my brother's on fire right now. Boy, my brother is on fire. Amen, amen. So in Acts 7-22, it says that Moses was instructed in all wisdom of the Egyptians and mighty in words and in deeds. So, if we fast forward to Exodus 2-11, moses grew up in the house of the Egyptians, as we mentioned, but something happened. So and I want to read it, steve, because I don't want to rush this part so in verse number 11, it says so in Acts 7-.

Where we at now. Where are you? I'm sorry, I was looking at Acts 7.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we in Acts 7-22 and 23.

Okay.

So Acts 7-7, verse 23 says so. I think what stood out to me is that the thought that in verse 23, when it says that he was 40 years old, it came to his heart, so God had to put it in him, like for him to have a desire and a passion to be with his family. Because, keep in mind, this is an individual, as we mentioned, that was raised in a household of Egypt, so he had to know that he's an Israelite, because he had to know that these are my brothers here. You gotta think about it. Moses was actually dressed as an Egyptian Because we know, when he fled off, when he fled out to the land of Median, he delivered those young ladies. He looked like an Egyptian. So somewhere along the way somebody had they called him an Egyptian. Yeah, they called him an Egyptian. So somewhere along the way someone had to tell him that. Hey, obviously his mother was breastfeeding him. We know his sister went to Pharaoh's daughter.

And they say they weaned him and the Bible actually says that the mother kept him until he was of age. I don't know what that age was, but I guess the athlete he didn't need breastfeeding anymore. I guess I would think so.

Right, right, but he had had to know that he's an Israelite. He had had to know that Because, as I just read in 23, when he was 40 years old, it came into his heart to visit his brothers. So he's like hold up, man. One of my brothers is getting oppressed man, yeah, I gotta do something about that. And you gotta appreciate men like that, men that's willing to stand up for what they deem to be is right, like if you see your fellow brothers being wronged. You gotta appreciate brothers like that. And there's historical figures that we go later, because we know that this is Black History Month and this is not a Black History show, but I just thought I'd bring that up because I don't know when this show's gonna be Stand up for what's right, but there's leaders yeah, there were leaders that was along the way, that stood up for what is right, like if they're fellow, if they seen their fellow brothers getting oppressed, they ain't going back down. And I believe that was most of his disposition. He said, like, but it had to come to his heart, like he had to have a passion or a desire, because not every man is created equal. Not every man is created equal. Some brothers may see their other brothers getting. Yeah, you may see one of your other brothers getting hit on in old friends.

Yeah, everybody don't have the same level of courage. Everybody don't have the same level of courage.

Now, finally, because he's really preparing for something great. Obviously he have to go away. We already know what's gonna happen. Let's talk about as he grew up. He pretty much killed it. He killed the Egyptian and he put him in a sand.

And that don't make him, you know, right and killing someone because of that. But at the same time, again, all things work together and he ended up getting sold out there and having to flee. The thing is, what's standing out to me is he doesn't even know that he's being prepared for something great. He's just living his life and going off his emotions and going off of how he feels, but he doesn't even know that God setting him up for Al-Hu, for an assist to lead, to allow him to let his people go. And it just lets me know that we have to trust God, that God has everything figured out, even when we find ourselves in situations that aren't favorable, or even in situations where we might not do the right thing. But God's grace has a way of bringing us back to where we need to be, or getting us back or pushing us where we need to be in order to ultimately get Him glory.

Yeah, I like how you pointed out that he didn't even know that he was called for that. Because, if you see the next day, the next day, he's seen two of his brothers fighting Because, remember, the following day in Egyptian, he slew the Egyptian. Then the following day he's seen two brothers, two Hebrews, fighting. And Moses said why should you strike your neighbor? He said why should you strike your neighbor? Guess what they told him. They said who made you commander, prince ruler or judge over us? You, a hypocrite.

That's what they said Like how could Right, that goes back to that. Yeah, with the same judgment that goes back to that scripture, with what judgment you get you're gonna get back. Exactly. You know the part can't. We ought to say the part can't call the kettle black, and it just let us know that we. It reminds me that we gotta be on point, because a lot of times we wanna make these judgments about people, or we wanna judge unrighteously, or sometimes we become self-righteous and we forget that we're in need of the same grace and mercy too, and people will remind us of that.

Yeah, and those are great points because, as you mentioned, Steve, we do gotta be blameless.

You know what, brother, you know what? One point before I forget I don't mean to cut you off Just one point that scripture that says watch how you walk. In the New Testament, I'm paraphrasing watch how you walk, so that the people who have something to say won't have nothing to say about your conduct, Because the enemy is the accuser of the brethren. That's what the Bible says, and so that's another thing we have to constantly be mindful, you know, and really trying to walk a certain way and talk a certain way, Because ultimately, we are, the only Bible that some people will ever read is our lifestyle.

Yeah, yeah, that's well said and to me I think that, like you said, it wasn't right what Moses did by killing a man. And that's why it's very interesting to me that when Moses met God in the mountain, when God gave him the 10 commandments, one of the commandments was thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not kill. I just thought that was very interesting. But also, God also gave him a preview, a kind of like a clue, of what's about to happen, because one of the Hebrews said who made you commander, or prince, or ruler, judge over us? Remember, god is gonna use him to be that commander, to lead the truth.

That's right for the Israelite and they're gonna show you. Yeah, y'all we did.

Yeah, yeah. So with God's help, moses ended up being like a commander, chief, a leader of the children of Israel. So I thought that was a blessing. So you know when Moses killed that man, it's cause. You know when you do an act, cause Moses probably looked around and like, killed that Egyptian, not knowing that. You know, his fellow brothers seen him and now he got exposed. So what happens? He get exposed and he fled. He fled the land of Egypt and then he went to Median because he feared for his life and there he married a Zipporah and he had a couple sons with them. And I just thought that sometimes you know you gotta get away, you gotta get away from it, sometimes you gotta go to the foreign territory. So when I think about Moses is even reading chapter one and two of Exodus, when I think about Moses' life to this point, I think it was as we mentioned, it was divine, it was God's plan, it was God's providence, as you mentioned, steve, and I think it's an encouragement for me as a Christian, knowing that I can trust in God no matter what, because Moses wasn't all that perfect, cause I always tell people that we, as Christians, were fallible. You know, it's just that we, we sinless. It's not that we're sinless, but we sin less. And then we see here that Moses is fallible. And I always tell people, the only perfect being that came, a hundred percent God, a hundred percent man, was Jesus. He's the only perfect one. So you know how folks be saying um, steve, they be like man, I got a way to, I get one hundred, I got, I got wait, I get one hundred to give my life to the Lord. So sometimes when I talk about these biblical characters, I like to talk, I like to talk in a way to encourage individuals that do like you could still come to Christ, like Jesus. Christ will work with you, just how. This is Moses beginning stage of his call. Now, over time, god will deal with him accordingly. He's gonna become spiritual, mature Over time. Like change doesn't happen rapid, like right away. This is, this thing takes time, it's a process, and I know this is part one of Moses. Yeah, I gotta listen to part two and part three to kind of, like you know, walk with us through the story of Moses and how things transpired. So, steve, what are your takeaways on this part pretty much about Moses that you could give to our listeners?

man. I just say that, just the trust and God's divine providence, and Always remember that you are exactly what you need to be when you're following God. I'm reminded of the scripture that and Romans chapter 8, where it says all things work together for good for those who love God and work hard according to his purpose. And Another verse that stood out to me that I don't think we mentioned was in verse 17, where it says but the midwives, after Pharaoh, told them to kill him. It says the midwives fear God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live and so, and they were favored by God for that, and God allowed them to get what they needed to be. And Sometimes we're gonna be faced with things in this world where it might not be according to pop culture and that might not be what our mom wants, how our mom wants us to be, or our father or whoever is in command. They may give us orders or we may are even our own line. You know the Bible says we're tempted with our own mind, but we're reminded that even when we're hard-pressed and even when danger lurks, when we fear God, god will protect us and God will keep us, and I'm reminded of three Hebrew boys that they said, whether or not you tell us to do, whether or not our God saves us or not, because they were in danger, but regardless of that, they fear God more, and I think that it's it's a testimony to when we fear God and when we trust God and when we abide in God, that God will keep us and ultimately we will be free and we will ultimately be able to come back to God and Free other people because of our freedom and by them standing on God's word instead of following the king and following their fear. They overcame their fear and for them, that led to Moses being led in the basket and that led to the great story of Moses. And that's just a couple. We can go deeper, but you know, you know how that go.

Yeah, amen, man. I appreciate you, steve, man, for joining you know this show. This was a interesting, good conversation that I had with you about Moses. As I told you, when I was a little kid I used to watch the team Commandments. But, man, where can our listeners find you, man? I know you're doing some great things on your platform. Where can they find you, man?

Yeah, everything. One K y'all on TikTok team, one K team underscore, one K IG team. One K INC T E A M. The number one, the letter K, that's pretty much under my platforms, and then Stephen Remberg, that's my Facebook. I go live on TikTok and of course I do and work with CBG podcast In the future as well, lord willing.

Hey, man, and also and Steve, maybe you could share this. Steve did a phenomenal sermon on a spiritual warfare and look where can they find that? Because they got to watch that, because we know this is a spiritual battle that we did with everything.

We might have to get this length. Yeah, if they reach out to me, I can get it to them. It's on YouTube. I'm at the Cedar Valley Church of Christ, or the Church of Christ at Cedar Valley, and it's spiritual warfare. You can see me on there. I don't know, I would have to get a link to send that link to you, but I'm at the Church of Christ at Cedar Valley in Dallas, texas.

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